In Response to Idiocy

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Subject: Re: to a poorly written bit of chain-mail

From: Ammon Dodson

Date: 02/10/2014 09:50 PM

To: Anyone who has ever received this chain-mail


My comments are in Black and have been modified for this web posting.

The original quotations are in blue
It is quoted in its entirety.

On Friday, February 7, 2014 1:26 AM, Ammon Dodson wrote:

To whomever wrote this drivel, and for the purpose of disabusing the public mind. This is a very poorly written bit of xenophobic chain-mail filled with dubious statements, and outright lies. Anyone who read the original should also read this rebuttal.

Major US agricultural imports from China are: Shrimp, Tea, Rice, Feeds and Fodders. Very little tea is produced domestically, but most of our imports actually come from Argentina. We also don't produce enough shrimp to meet our demand. (1)

*This was shown on " 60 Minutes" a few weeks ago. Disgusting ! *

When did this happen? I can find no reference for "60 Minutes" ever saying anything about this. Even if they had, it would not make these claims any more credible. TV shows, and the people on them will say anything for ratings. Without a date, this statement is virtually unverifiable and therefore at least as likely to be an outright lie as it is to be true.

You say Disgusting ! right up front without having presented any information in an attempt to sway and bias your readers opinions right from the get go. That is sloppy and manipulative.

Were you just watching 60 Minutes one night and decided that Television was not an effective enough medium spreading the news? Does filling everyone's junk-mail more effectively serve the public interest? Did you think you actually had something to add to the conversation? what are your credentials?

*Starkist Tuna is now owned by Korea , and is in big conflict with the U.S. concerning quality, safety,and records, which Korea refuses to provide. *

South Korea is a country. Korea did not buy Starkist. StarKist was bought by Dongwon Industries (A Corporation based in South Korea) in 2010. No, I am not just arguing semantics. Corporations and countries are different things, an intelligent person would know that. Later on you just lump together China and Korea as if everything over that-a-way were all the same. I know this is the United States, and I know we don't get out much, but geography is a required course in most high schools. This tells us that you probably didn't graduate from one.

StarKist did refuse to release some records in 2011 (2). I was able to find a source for that claim. So yes, there was an issue in 2011. What about today? All this really tells me is that this chain-mail has been circulating for years, and is neither current, nor accurate. And since its original value evaporates in the face of reason why do people keep forwarding it? What do they teach with all that tax money?

*There have been several articles on Google about this, and even one that was defending the eating of tilapia said to avoid the fish that came from China .. Also, I had just returned home from buying Albertson's 4-day special of 4 bags of frozen tilapia for the price of one. Sure enough, on the top of the bags, it read "farm raised", and on the bottom in small print it said, " China ". *

First off, Google is a search engine. It doesn't host content (at least not at google.com). The things you see on a search engine come from other web sites. Were you under the impression that the entire internet was contained inside Google? were you thinking of Blogspot (Google blogs) articles perhaps? Because those would not add any validity to your statements either.

Secondly, Where are these "Google articles"? I couldn't find them. And really, the burden of proof doesn't fall on me, it's on you. If they exist, prove it. If you can't prove they exist, then they don't.

*read all the way down... *

Why should I read all the way down? Are you insecure about your writing ability? Are you worried that your readers would be getting bored by this time? They ought to be.

*Recently a Food inspector on TV said he had lived overseas and he had seen the filthy conditions their foods are raised and processed in. *

Over which seas? Are you now slandering anyone who raises food in other countries? Are you demonstrating xenophobia (The irrational fear, hatred, and intolerance of foreigners and all things foreign)? You are clearly American. Your visits to Albertson's and especially your attitude put it beyond doubt.

When did this happen? Who said it? Inspector for who? Did you see it on television so it must be true? You realize television pundits are about as concerned with the public's well-being as televangelists. Oh sorry were you watching Reverend Amen just now? Perhaps if you send him your life savings he will heal you of your moronism.

If you can't prove something, don't repeat it. Certainly, don't forward it. It's nothing but gossip and rumor.

*It is enough to make you throw up.

What is? You don't know me. Maybe I have a strong stomach.

Some foreign workers have to wear masks as they work in these places, because the food is so rotten and filthy, it makes them want to throw up.

Again with the nameless foreigners? Did we not just talk about this? Are you capable of producing a single rational sentence?

What places? Where? Which Companies? What Plants? People in food processing plants wear dust masks anyway, is that what you are talking about? Because that is to protect the cleanliness of the food. If the food stock were actually rotted, then the product would obviously be so as well.

Many of their Fish on Fish Farms are fed Raw sewage daily. He said he has seen so much filth throughout their food growing and processing that he would "never" eat any of it. They raise this filth , put some food coloring and some flavorings on it, then they ship it to the USA & Canada for YOU to consume and feed to YOUR families. They have no Food & Safety Inspectors. They ship it to you to buy and poison your families and friends. *

Has it occurred to you that these unsupported statements could just as easily be the fabrication of domestic seafood producers aimed at boosting domestic sales through fear-mongering and libel? That said, aquaculture does have its issues.

*Imported food we eat and the junk we buy *
*Green Giant frozen vegetables are from China , and so are most of Europe ' s Best. *

This is an outright lie. Green Giant imports a single vegetable from China. That is included in their Healthy Weight and limited edition Teriyaki Stir Fry only. Most of Green Giant's produce is from Minnesota, California, and Mexico. I found no reference to Europe's Best so that statement is inadmissible without further proof.

*Arctic** Gardens** are Okay. So is Birdseye . *

Now, we are endorsing specific brands. Are you serious? Do you hold stock in these companies? Do you know what stock is?

*Never buy the grocery store garlic unless it is clearly marked from USA or Canada , the other stuff is grown in people poop (even worse than chicken poop ). *

Poop is an ideal medium for growing produce. That is the way the world works: we are what we eat, and we've all been pooped out by somebody at some point. We can only hope that someday we will be able to say that we recycle all our fecal matter, whether for energy, or as fertilizer.

In any case you have no supporting evidence, so prove it!

*China** is the largest producer of garlic in the world U.S. is next. *

Maybe, maybe not. In either case, proper grammar wouldn't hurt. More importantly Chinese garlic is cheaper and therefore sells more in the U.S. You will have to demonstrate that Chinese produced garlic is somehow unsafe, and you have failed to do that. In fact, you haven't even addressed it.

*Buy only local honey , much honey is shipped in huge containers from China and re-packed here. *
*Cold-FX is grown and packed in China and is full of fecal bacteria. Doesn' t work anyway, big scam. *
*If the country of origin is not clearly marked beware. *

Fear-mongering. I wonder if psychologists have identified a phobia for the fear of huge containers.

*If produce, ask an employee. *

Like they would know. Can you imagine the average box-store employee knowing where their produce comes from? I can't.

*Watch out for packages which state "prepared for", "packed by" or "imported by". I don' t understand the lack of mandatory labeling , especially the produce. *

Produce generally doesn't have any labeling beyond a bar code. There never has been mandatory labeling. Even expiration dates are just nice things food companies do for us.

*The country of origin should be clearly shown on the item in the store. I go to the local farmers' markets in season and keep a wary eye open the rest of the year. *

Start a political campaign then, not a chain-letter.

*Please read this very carefully, and read to the very bottom. It 's important for all of us. *
*How is it possible to ship food from China cheaper than having it produced in the U.S. or Canada ? *

Easy, stuff is really cheap over there. That is what happens when you put impoverished people to work.

China has become so rich as a result of their industriousness that things are far less cheap there now than they were 20 years ago when they became the world's factory.

*FOR EXAMPLE THE "OUR FAMILY" BRAND OF MANDARIN ORANGES SAYS RIGHT ON THE CAN 'FROM CHINA '. SO, FOR A FEW MORE CENTS, BUY THE LIBERTY BRAND. *

"Mandarin" is a Chinese word for a Chinese fruit that comes from China. What in the world did you expect?

*GOLD BRAND OR THE DOLE IS FROM CALIFORNIA *
*Beware, Costco sells canned peaches and pears in a plastic jar that come from China . *

And now you are just making blanket statements for any food that comes from China whether safety problems have been shown or not. Sounds more like racism that legitimate concern. If the real issue is food safety, then the real solution is better food safety inspections and enforcement.

*ALL "HIGH LINER" AND MOST OTHER FROZEN FISH PRODUCTS COME FROM CHINA OR INDONESIA . THE PACKAGE MAY SAY "PACIFIC SALMON" ON THE FRONT, BUT LOOK FOR, READ THE SMALL PRINT. MOST OF THESE PRODUCTS COME FROM FISH FARMS IN THE ORIENT WHERE THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS ON WHAT IS FED TO THESE FISH. *

Now you're dragging Indonesia into your mud-slinging fest. Indonesia is NOT China. Buy a map.

*Recently The Montreal Gazette had an article by the Canadian Government on how Chinese feed the fish: They suspend chicken wire crates over the fish ponds, and the fish feed on chicken s -- t . *

I could not find this article. Prove it, or it is simply another outright lie.

*If you search the internet about what the Chinese feed their fish, you'll be alarmed; e . g ., growth hormones, expired anti- biotic from humans. Never buy any type of fish or shellfish that comes from these countries: Vietnam , China , Philippines . *

Again xenophobic lumping together of countries you have never visited nor know anything about. I personally know people from the countries you are libeling.

*Check this out personally. I did. Steinfeld 's Pickles are made in India - just as bad! *

More xenophobia and prejudice. Is there any country you don't hate?

*Another example is in canned mushrooms. No-Name brand came from Indonesia . *

Maybe they make a better mushroom. did you ever think about that?

*Also check those little fruit cups. They used to be made in Canada in the Niagara region until about 2 years ago. They are now packaged in China ! *

so?

*While the Chinese export inferior and even toxic products, dangerous toys, and goods to be sold in North American markets, the media wrings its hands! *

"The Media" meaning what? Are they supposed to do something other that report the news?

*Yet, 70% of North Americans believe that the trading privileges afforded to the Chinese should be suspended! *

Dubious, unsupported statistic at best, outright lie at worst. In any case, a foolish strategy. A vengeful blanket ban on Chinese products would only cause a counter-ban of exports to China. The resultant sudden contraction of the economy in both nations could be quite painful for a lot of good people, and affect industries you wouldn't even think were food-related. The easier and more realistic solution would be to make importers pay to have all their product tested before it enters the country.

*Well, duh ! Why do you need the government to suspend trading privileges? *
*SIMPLY DO IT YOURSELF, CANADA AND THE U.S. ! *

Question: when has a grassroots boycott ever changed the nation's buying habits?...Answer: NEVER. Meanwhile, lawsuits, advertising and lobbying have repeatedly changed the way America does business. You might take a hint.

*Simply look on the bottom of every product you buy, and if it says 'Made in China ' or 'PRC' (and that now includes Hong Kong ), simply choose another product, or none at all. You will be amazed at how dependent you are on Chinese products, and you will be equally amazed at what you can do without. *

Because we all have time to waste in the supermarket checking every container of food. Very few food products actually tell you where they were made anyway.

*THINK ABOUT THIS: *

how? There is about as much thoughtful material here as contained in an addict's babbling.


*If 200 million North Americans refuse to buy just $20 each of Chinese goods, that 's a billion dollar trade imbalance resolved in our favor ... fast! The downside ? Some Canadian /American businesses will feel a temporary pinch from having foreign stockpiles of inventory. *
*Just one month of trading losses will hit the Chinese for 8% of their North American exports. *

Well, Duh: 1/12 = .08333 = 8.33%. We can math you know. But in reality you put numbers in here because stupid people see a number and assume that it makes your statement true.

*Then they will at least have to ask themselves if the benefits of their arrogance and lawlessness are worth it. *
*START NOW and don' t stop. *
*Send this to everybody you know. Let 's show them that we are intelligent, and NOBODY can take us for granted **. *

Because chain-mail will make the world a better place!

But seriously, whoever you are, if you have shown any thing, it is that you have a serious xenophobic neurosis coupled with racism and an extreme lack of education. You are a right-wing conservative of the baby boomer generation with likely no more than a high school education. Education aside, even having valid references would have made a manifold increase in your believability

Whether any of these statements are true or not, we all need to learn to not repeat things we can't prove, and that are probably false anyway. Rumors like this seriously undermine valid discussion with misinformation and distraction.